Did automobiles replacing horses, diminishing horse population, diminishing horse suffering – as a consequence of work forced upon the animals. Is that moral win for horses; less suffering? Although their population is vastly smaller than 130 years ago.
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There’s a philosophical paradox about this called the “repugnant conclusion”. Technically, it’s supposed to be about humans, not horses, but the logic is the same.
The main conclusion was that it’s better to have a larger population that’s worse off than a smaller one that’s better off because it’s better to exist than not exist.
Personally, I think the opposite is true, but there’s not a “right” answer.
Not that you support it, but who would it be better for, though? Plus if you didn’t exist it’s not worse or better for you because you don’t exist in the first place.
I do not agree at all with that.
it is obviously better to never have been. Not even sure we are now. Boltzmann Brains https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boltzmann_brain
Of course it’s a win for the horses. Their population was unnaturally high and it’s better to not even exist in the first place than to suffer. This goes for farm animals as well but we’re not there yet unfortunately.
it’s better to not even exist in the first place than to suffer. This goes for farm animals as well but we’re not
If you believe this, does that give you a moral imperative to start a nuclear war and end the suffering of future human generations?
I never said kill all horses/humans/whatever. The difference is between taking lives away and not forcefully breeding life for the purpose of enslavement.
Their population was unnaturally high and it’s better to not even exist in the first place than to suffer
This guy PETAs.
This guy wants to be born into slavery and die from exhaustion.
I’d rather be born into slavery than have some arrogant self-aggrandizing narcissistic cunt decide wether my life is worth living.
That escalated quickly
I don’t think he wants to be my friend.
Maybe if you were more overtly pancake? That might help…
Yes. There are still way more horses than there would be in the wild due to domestication.
See comparisons between Zebras and Horses
Hold on my neighbour owns a horse, I’ll go and ask him…
Edit, I asked but he just kinda stared at me then started eating hay
Your neighbor has a strange diet.
you got that right. pronoun antecedent issues
I wonder if some languages have a way to avoid it. Maybe different pronouns for the subject and object?
Not knowing anything, I would guess some languages just don’t have pronouns or our equivalent
If pronouns didn’t exist we would have to invent them.
If pronouns didn’t exist we would have to invent them.
Horses however only require grass, hay, etc, are self driving to an extent and can return home if needed, and have less environment impact than a car.
City streets were intensely filthy back in the days of horses.
They require a constant input of hay.
They’re “self driving” in the worst possible way - they can run off on their own and do whatever they want, and have little understanding of the rules of the road. People already freak out when a robotaxi takes an inadvertent wrong turn, horses can freak out and try to kill pedestrians.
They’re slow. They’re hard to manage. If you don’t want to be exposed to the elements then you’ll have to build carriages, so you’ll still have factories and whatnot. Horses eventually just up and die regardless of how well you care for them.
Horses are not better than cars.
They’re “self driving” in the worst possible way - they can run off on their own and do whatever they want, and have little understanding of the rules of the road. People already freak out when a robotaxi takes an inadvertent wrong turn, horses can freak out and try to kill pedestrians.
Ah yes because no one has ever “”“accidentally lost control”“” of their car and smashed something/someone to pieces with it!
I’d take the mounds of horse shit on the streets over the disgusting stench of cars any day. At least I can scoop some up and spread it on my garden.
Cars don’t decide to do it.
Car sentience Rule #1: Don’t let the Humans know you are sentient.
