I think this number is overblown. Production useful doesn’t have to mean 1:1.
Running it without all graphics drivers would be fine for server use. Also, not all filesystems need to be ported: basic ones should be enough for start. But not only servers, home routers run Linux kernel…
If every OEM starts contributing their drivers in rust, this could move quickly…
Who was the guy that had a lot of pauses with mmmmmm when talking?
Why would they put effort into changing something which works for them with the risk of breaking things?
The sentiment is similar to climate change deniers. Why would we stop with fossil fuels when they work, people have jobs, etc. And why would we risk breaking the power grid?
And as long as that works for them, they won’t actively change anything.
Wayland on gnome and Ubuntu is already the default. It seems to me you have to actively change the default to x.
It would be interesting to see in which scenario x is better than wayland. The only reason I can think of is an (old) Nvidia card. With new Nvidia’s I guess the statement would otherwise be ‘i will not use it until they fix Wayland’
Depends on the timeline.
X crashed way more for me on kde than Wayland on gnome. ‘Never’ is quite the statement.
Right. And I’m interested if there are some legitimate needs for you to run x until it stops working.
Or is this just a revolt?
Why would someone stay with x even though it’s deprecated, architecturally broken and unmaintainable
Until I cannot run software on X11, I won’t switch over knowingly.
Please explain
People don’t really love chrome, but they do love meat. Go vegan suggests we get rid of something we love.
Oh, so it basically displays a remote window manager in the browser? For a moment, I thought it was running the compositor directly inside the browser with extensions or something like that, hahaha.
I saw it basically months ago, so don’t remember 100%. To not say the wrong thing, you can read about the architecture here: https://greenfield.app/pages/design/
Also, here is a video. The dev demonstrated it’s fast enough for gaming https://fosdem.org/2024/schedule/event/fosdem-2024-3219-greenfield-wayland-in-the-browser-an-update/
I agree, all the apps I use run natively on Wayland, but I think there will always be some legacy X11 apps that won’t get ported. So, I think I’ll implement it, but it is definitely not a priority.
While I understand the need for legacy, I also think at some point legacy should be left alone. If it is really needed for some old app to run, VM should do fine. I don’t think missing xorg is ever going to be an issue in 2025+ (well, Electron apps maybe). Yet added and not used features (or seldom used features) is offset with future maintenance burden and/or security issues for no good reason.
This also applies to OpenGL comment. Every code path introduces a maintenance burden. While support of more devices is good, supported devices are super old in this case and the question is - is it worth it? Vulkan drivers should either way be in a better state.
Looks very interesting! I wonder how it works, so I definitely will check it out.
Is super cool, there is a presentation in one of the conferences about it. Architecture is explained somewhere in the docs. Anyway, if you do implement it - this would be a good alternative to https://guacamole.apache.org
Who knows, maybe it would be a money opportunity.
Why?
It’s not Microsoft, but actually an open source community running open source forge. Also, it’s way faster to use in browser.
If we are talking ideas, I would propose the following:
I know dropping xwayland and opengl is unpopular, but this is where things are going. It’s on the gnome Todo sometime because as far as I read, there is development for mutter to be built totally without xorg support. Plus they recently switched gtk4 to use New vulkan rendered by default.
Another question came to my mind: how is video processing handled? There were some changes in Mutter and/or gtk4 so it would be efficient, any chance for louvre to have it?. E.g. https://www.phoronix.com/news/GNOME-46-Beta-Released
This looks awesome.
Looks like it could be a very good alternative to mutter and kwin.
Questions:
Freespace Intro.
This would have made a great movie.
It has SJ in the description
Mozilla, partners, and participants will explore threats AI poses to democracy and social justice https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/blog/togetherness-and-solidarity-explore-the-mozfest-house-amsterdam-program/
While somebody needs to do this, somebody also needs to do the browser development. And Mozilla has been neglecting and deliberately decimating firefox market share with stupid decisions. Funding Mozilla meant funding everything else except Firefox.
This way we may get the chance to fund exclusively Firefox and not other nonsense.
Let’s hope this enables direct donations to Firefox and not to some sjw activities or Baker’s salary/bonus
I would argue that gnome is pretty stable in recent years. Don’t remember when was the last time something crashed.
This might would probably be true for Extensions.
KDE has been unstable for me on Wayland in the past.
The only thing i missed was some KDE apps since they look butt ugly on gnome so you have to find alternatives. Krita comes to mind.
You don’t have Krunner, but when you press meta/start button, you get a text field in the overview that works similar. I used krunner only to start the apps and gnome overview gave me exactly the same functionality. So the thing that changed is keyboard shortcut: instead alt-f2, you would use meta/start and just start typing.
Just try it out and see if there is something you miss.
If you do switch, try to use it as meant by gnome ux, do not force it to be something it is not. This is what I did initially and after suffering for a while (I missed the start menu so used extensions etc) I dropped all extensions and tried to use it vanilla. After a month or two, workflow really stuck and I prefer it to windows and kde. Simplicity of it works for me since I don’t use it for anything but starting other apps: browser, terminal, files, vscode… Also, when you add apps to dock, you can start them with alt-number (this works in kde and windows as well), so even the dock I find irrelevant.
You also get something more in functionality, apps and stability (not that you only lose stuff moving off kde). E.g. accessing Samba shares with smb:// works well in gnome, where you can open movies from the share directly. While you can open the share in dolphin, you cannot open the movie directly from the remote location, you need to copy it first. (At least my experience before plasma 6, maybe it changed…). Another example is gnome boxes for VMs which is great.
Edit: one thing I do miss - systray.
I agree with you sentiment here. That’s why I wrote ‘relative terms’ in my comment.
Since Nadela took over, Microsoft did some open thing which benefited community. So, Microsoft opened somewhat.
During the same time, under Pichai, google went the other way: they focus more on monetization and try to control stuff the apple way. Manifest v3? Google also didn’t do anything really worth mentioning in the last 10y in terms of products. Well, except ‘attention’ article. And even this they didn’t believe in and they cannot deliver a decent product. I just tried google advanced Gemini and it’s, to put it politely, shit. Google also had some positive actions like mainlining a lot of stuff in Linux Kernel to more easily upgrade android.
So, while google is closing down and making mistakes, Microsoft is opening a bit up.
If you look the state from the last year and the state now. Microsoft improved. Google went the other way.
Microsoft doesn’t care about open source, they care about the money Cloud Services using open source bring them. I don’t think google cares as well. For reason read this: https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2002/06/12/strategy-letter-v/
Probably people think this is a troll or something.
I wrote it because I was surprised, especially since I’m not a fan of microsoft and their policies. Lately, I have the feeling Microsoft is better than Google (relative terms) when it comes to oss.
What is additionally surprising is the breaches of Microsoft services in the last year. There is one every few weeks or so… And then they pick up a backdoor because login took 0.5 instead of 0.1s.
Anyway, his findings are amazing.
The main reason is that Dbus is not available during early stages of boot. There are many others.
Varlink seems to be better or the same compared to dbus in all except two things:
Details here:
https://media.ccc.de/v/all-systems-go-2024-276-varlink-now-