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    Don’t panic, thats just me running it on PC, laptop, worklaptop, pinenote, pinephone, steamdeck and in multiple VMs for experimentation. (and don’t forget my randomized fingerprinting setup in the browser)

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      Was gonna ask if this stat included the Steam Deck, as that’s also accounting for the vast majority of Linux gaming numbers. Whether it does include the Deck or not, it’s a nice rise, but all the better if it doesn’t include the Deck. I wonder if the popularity of using Linux on the Raspberry Pi is helping too.

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        How many people are reading blogs on their steam decks though? I don’t think it’s having much of an effect for statcounter

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          You never know, given the Deck has desktop mode. That said, still is a good thing with or without the Deck bolstering the numbers.

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        Not great tbh. But I made it work for my usecase somewhat.

        As a huge tinkerer I like it over the Remarkable2 which I had before and which was a huge pain to customize.

        But I wouldn’t recommend it to normal people.

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    Linux also surpassed 10% in my country, Greece (10.72%).

    I prepared a couple of old laptops I had around recently, to gift to my niece and cousin, and I put Debian with XFce in both of them. Worked great. And I think that’s why Linux is big in Greece. Consider that when someone buys a car here, they use it until the end of its life. Very rarely they sell cars to get something new. The average car is 15 years old in Greece. I think that’s the deal with old laptops and computers too: people try to extend the lives of their machines.

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    How on earth can people stand using Windows full time? Everything I’m on a Microsoft product I feel claustrophobic!

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      Uh, most apps are still for Windows. That’s why so many people use it.

      If you tell someone to use an alternative OS, but then they are left on their own to run alternative versions of apps that don’t work the same, forced to give up features they are use to, or run dozens of different programs through Wine or Proton or emulation or virtualization or whatever, JUST BECAUSE “Microsoft bad”, they’re going to laugh at you and go right back to Windows.

      It’s taken Linux 30(?) years to make it to 4%, and a lot of that is recent because of games. It’s still a niche platform.

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        Create an ‘average user’ friendly OS. Similar to ElementaryOS but more easier.

        The GUI is elegant and its easy to download apps(applications).

        For medium to heavy users, have a developer or advance mode.

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          PopOS, Mint, Ubuntu. All have that mission.

          Honestly I’m at a bit of a loss what people think needs to become simpler.

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            The people hating on it are either shills or people that tried linux 10 years ago and it wouldn’t run their game so they’ll talk shit. I’ve been over a year now full time linux and it plays all the games I have and have gotten. I’m really impressed with how much better it’s gotten over the past few years.

            I run pop os with AMD hardware on wayland.

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        Maybe. But this does not change the fact that managing Windows is so much pain even if some of clients I manage computers for have Windows because of the software like Adobe, I think every day how good it would be to get rid of it.

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      Stuff just works on windows, I have a proxmox box with some Linux vms to run containers and I’ve tried several times over the last 20 years to move to Linux on my main pc but there are just too many faffy bits.

      I really dislike what windows has become, it’s bloat ware that’s getting worse and worse, but I begrudgingly use it as I can be productive, the moment I can be as productive in Linux I’m off of windows, but even simple things like drivers are often not as good, lots of commercial software has barebones or no Linux support, there are many different package managers (on one hand great) but some have permission problems due to sandboxing when you need something like your IDE to have access to the dotnet package, also as a developer building apps/libs for Linux is a nightmare.

      For example if I make an app for Windows I build a single binary, same for mac os, for Linux it’s the Wild west, varying versions of glibc various versions of gtk and that’s the simpler stuff.

      Anyway I REALLY WANT to like Linux and move away from windows to it, but every time I try its hours/days of hoop jumping before I just end up going back to windows and waiting for windows to annoy me so much I try again.

      (just to be clear the annoyances I have with windows are it’s constant ad/bloat ware, it’s segregation of settings and duplication of things, it constantly updating and forcing you to turn off all their nonsense AGAIN)

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      Most people are not really using the OS. All they do is starting the webbrowser and that’s it. They need input & sound from the OS, but that’s it.

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      I use both. Sadly, I have lots of software that doesn’t work (or works pretty bad) on Linux. I love Linux, but there’s no denying it can be frustrated, specially if your hardware doesn’t support it, and that applies to too many people who has no saying in the hardware they use.

      So in what world? Corporate world, science, CAD modelling…

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        There is a big misunderstanding in people’s mind. LInux claims to run on pretty much every system (and it does ofc), but people take it as in every device and drivers is supposed to run flawlessly. I bought a 200 euros thinkpad knowing lenovo supported Linux directly, and I’m more satisfied with it than my 3000 euros macbook pro. In fact I havent opened my work one for 6 months+ lol

        Mandatory I use arch btw

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          Current distros doesn’t support many hardware platform, despite being very well funded. Compared to OpenBSD. (NetBSD is too much, right? and it is not really usable.)

          Fedora: Only run on amd64, arm64, arm, ppc64le, s390x

          Debian: i386, amd64, arm64, arm, ppc64le, mips64le, s390x, riscv64 (testing).

          Alpine: same as Debian but no MIPS support

          Add your own here.

          There isn’t sparc64 support at all!

          https://www.openbsd.org/sparc64.html The other architectures that OpenBSD supports have benefited because some kinds of bugs are exposed more often by the 64-bit big endian nature of UltraSPARC.

          https://www.openbsd.org/want.html It is important to spread sparc64 around the development community, since it is the most strict platform for detecting non-portable or buggy code.

          OpenBSD: alpha, amd64, arm64, armv7, hppa, i386, landisk, loongson, luna88k, macppc, octeon, powerpc64, riscv64, sparc64 (all equally supported except Alpha)

          (VAX is discontinued after 6.9)

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        I use a Windows 10 virtual machine for this purpose and run Linux on my bare metal hardware. And if I absolutely have to use Windows, I can boot the virtual machine, use Windows, and then shut it back down again until I need it again.

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          I mean, that’s what I do, do you think that’s feasible for everyone? No. Not everyone is willing to go through that much hassle.

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    With MS enshitifying Windows at an ever increasing pace and the hard work of open source developers, volunteers, advocates, to make Linux better and more approachable, I won’t be surprised at all to see that percentage move up.

    “You mean its free and doesn’t try to sell me other products the whole time I’m using it?”

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      There is the psychological factor that Windows behaves more like malware with their forced full screen overlays to shove the Edge into your ass. Over and over again. Microsoft doesn’t take No for an answer like an abusive partner.

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        You put words to the feeling I get whenever I turn on my work PC. It has relatively little to do with my actual work. It’s the dread of the psychological abuse of everything asking me to update, upgrade, and look at how cool our AI is, try all of our other products, share your opinion, etc. etc. etc. I would be twice as productive if they let me BYOOS (bring your own OS) and if my day to day tools were Linux compatible. There are best practices for this kind of thing, but many of the most “reputable” tech companies willingly disregard them in favor of mind games and dark psychology.

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      And Microsoft keeps enshitifying Windows because they know they can get away with it. So many businesses are backed into a corner and have essential parts of their business that are only compatible with Microsoft’s tech. They can’t switch, they won’t even entertain the idea (much less the time/energy required to test it out). The folks at Microsoft know they’ve won. I won’t be surprised when they make Windows 12’s compatibility even more egregious than 11’s.

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      Probably a good chunk of it but admittedly it helped me feel confident in using Linux as my daily driver on my desktop. Nothing drives adoption like being able to play video games.

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      I know it’s a joke, but where did you get that number? If it’s at 3% in January and 4% in February. Either it’s a flat 1% increase/month or an increase of 33%. How else can it be interpreted?

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        From the dephs of my ass. But basically it’s been around 2% for decades, then it went from 3 to 4% in a matter of months, so it’s accelerating exponentially very quickly!

        You can do funny things with statistics if you just use the wrong fitness function.

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        How else can it be interpreted?

        Exponential increase that has been slow for decades, but is just now starting to ramp up?

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          Sure, but the question was how they got to the number. If it was a random big number, then fine, that answers my question, but I was just wondering if there was a reason behind it. Usually when people make that joke they just purposefully misinterpret the trend which is why I went for the 1% or 33%

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      You can download a csv of the market share from 2009, it shows it reached 3% for the first time in jun 2023, there might be some kind of rapid growth in popularity here.

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    on an unrelated note, people who squeeze in what os they use to every conversation also rises to 4%.

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        Is equating Linux users to vegans a thing? I came to the conclusion (I thought) on my own…but now reading this here I’m questioning that conclusion

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          It’s a big thing because it’s much easier to make fun of an objectively better lifestyle choice (avoiding meat or Microsoft etc.) than it is to try and argue against it. Especially because that would force people to question their own behaviour and that can be difficult and hurtful.

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            It’s not making fun of the lifestyle, it’s the the fact that people who partake in these things seemingly bring it up for no reason.

            But honestly I can’t remember the last time a vegan brought up being a vegan for no reason. While here on lemmy it seems every opportunity someone has to claim Linux superiority, no matter how weak, they have to let everyone know how “objectively better” they are.

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            hey I try to be vegan for software, but a moderate and balanced diet is the objectively better lifestyle choice than forcing beans and grass down your throat, and producing enough methane to power 2 dutch ovens.(I am from a predominantly vegetarian culture, most of our meat dishes have only 10% meat in them, which I think is a good enough amount)

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            nah it’s just a reputation because people who make these choices usually try to spread the word, but sometimes it becomes perceived as obnoxious. vegans just got a bad reputation because it was relatively early internet days, i haven’t seen vegans being as obnoxious as weed smokers, for example.

            now, weed smoking is objectively not a better lifestyle choice but i think they’re much much worse than vegans ever were. has nothing to do with arguing against things, not that I would argue against veganism anyway; i admire the choice.

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          “how do you know someone [does crossfit, is vegan, uses linux]”

          “They’ll tell you”

          It’s a fairly common joke and seems to get stapled onto any lifestyle choice that someone likes to talk about

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            Linux users are like vegetarians Arch users like vegans. One is a dietary choice, the other a cult.

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    So… I have a couple 40-core Xeon servers in my homelab. What do I need to do to trigger these higher? I can Argo Workflow jobs that spin up VMs and execute a webhook / etc to whatever is needed. Let’s get that needle at least past the fisher price of OS’s MacOS.

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    This site is using stats based on browser’s users agent string, very unreliable source of imformation today. Please stop celebrating when it have an anomaly and do it’s temporary spike up or down every couple of months.

    Linux is in fact rising, like all desktop OSes besides Windows, because Windows is losing market share. But celebrating stats from this site is not worth it.

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      You can set it to go back to 2009. Apparently it hit 3% in Q3 2023. And apparently Windows has steadily been trending downward from 95% to 73% since 2009, which is wild to me. I find it hard to believe that that isn’t due to other factors like increased smartphone use over desktops.

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        There’s separate market shares for mobile devices, and combined as well.

        Choosing all platforms we currently get:
        Linux - 1.54%
        Unknown - 2.42%
        OS X - 5.87%
        iOS - 17.82%
        Windows - 27.39%
        Android - 43.74%

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          I understand that, but if people stop using desktops entirely (because they already have a phone in their pocket), the remaining users might be more likely to be on macOS or Linux for a specific reason.

          I don’t see the methodology on that page so it’s hard to say for sure.

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            Only if you completely disregard the userland and impound the definition of Linux to the kernel base