• GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml
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    Btw can RH as the biggest contributor to systemd make it paid like it did with RHEL? Then it’s going to be the death of the free and independent Linux desktop for quite a while.

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      Don’t spread lies, misinformation and/or FUD.

      Btw can RH as the biggest contributor to systemd make it paid like it did with RHEL?

      It’s not. They’ve only made it harder for other parties to freely benefit from RHEL’s hard work at the expense of RHEL.

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        Don’t spread lies, misinformation and/or FUD.

        Uhm what? I asked a question bruh.

        They’ve only made it harder for other parties to freely benefit from RHEL’s hard work

        True but they still can find something to hurt everyone. Not like I think it will happen but it is a problem with centralization and a company being behind a big and important product.

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          Uhm what? I asked a question bruh.

          The bold parts include a false claim; i.e. Red Hat made RHEL paid.. So it’s perfectly possible to include a lie, piece of misinformation and/or straight up FUD within a question.

          True but they still can find something to hurt everyone. Not like I think it will happen but it is a problem with centralization and a company being behind a big and important product.

          I agree with you that Red Hat is indeed way too powerful in this realm. Hence, there will inevitably always be the fear that they might (somehow) misuse their power. So far, they’ve been mostly benevolent and I hope it will stay that way. There’s no fault at being cautious, but this should never lead us towards toxic behavior.

          EDIT: Why the downvotes?

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            The bold parts include a false claim; i.e. Red Hat made RHEL paid..

            Isn’t it? And for distro devs access to the source code is the only thing that matters. I am quite sure it is paid.

            There’s no fault at being cautious, but this should never lead us towards toxic behavior.

            I agree but I think you are the toxic one here. You boldly accuse a kinda new Linux user that asks a question in sharing misinformation and being toxic. I kinda get the first part but the second? You either don’t know what toxicity is or you’re just being toxic.

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              Isn’t it?

              No-cost RHEL is accessible for individuals or small teams up to 16 devices. RHEL is paid for enterprises and businesses because of its support; which also includes (exclusive) articles and documentation.

              You made it seem as if you were regurgitating the common line of misinformation when last year Red Hat changed how access to RHEL’s source code worked.

              That regurgitated statement is misinformation. Besides that event, which actually didn’t make RHEL paid, I’m unaware of Red Hat retroactively changing a formerly free service to cost money instead.

              And for distro devs access to the source code is the only thing that matters.

              Do you mean the people working on Oracle Linux, AlmaLinux OS and/or Rocky Linux? Or did you actually primarily imply others? If so, could you elaborate?

              but I think you are the toxic one here.

              😅. Sorry, this is just not very productive. But, I will try to be more careful with the language I use when communicating with you 😉.

              You boldly accuse a kinda new Linux user that asks a question in sharing misinformation

              If, with your earlier statement, you meant the whole RHEL source code fiasco from last year, then that’s plain misinformation. And if you share that, then that’s sharing misinformation.

              I prefer open conversation in which we can communicate directly. If you’re sensitive to that, then I will abstain from doing so when I’m interacting with you.

              and being toxic.

              At worst, I only implied it. At best, it’s a general advice directed towards anyone that happens to read it. To be clear, I didn’t intend to attack you. So no need to be offended. Nor should you take it personally.

              Finally, as this comment of yours clearly shows, you’re at least somewhat susceptible to misunderstand the writing of others. Ain’t we all to some degree? Though…, (perhaps) some more than others. Regardless, likewise, without trying to offend you or whatsoever, I would like to propose the idea that you might have jumped to conclusions that you didn’t have to necessarily.

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      If IBM makes redhat do something that greedy and stupid (it’d be more likely to happen with a distribution like fedora or centos than userland components), we have plenty of existing infrastructure to fall back on.

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        (it’d be more likely to happen with a distribution like fedora or centos than userland components

        I mean, if they make an actual workstation distro and kill systemd’s real FOSS nature, everyone else will have to spend some time rebuilding their distros with other init systems. That’ll be quite a sabotage.

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      RedHat is not restricting access to any upstream project. They package things in extremely stable form, which means they need to manage like all the software themselves and do tons of backports, as normally software just releases new versions.

      They restrict access to these packages.

      So yes, their 5 years old systemd with backported security fixes may be restricted. But not the normal systemd you can install anywhere.

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      No, it’s licensed under the LGPL, which means source code can be freely distributed and distros would continue to package it for free no matter how hard Redhat tried to paywall it.

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      You are not wrong. IBM management paralleled in the same cash-grab and exit C-suite functions that has consumed Redhat. That is why the merger happened.

      Soon, Purple Hat should be charging for systemd and hopefully other corpos and organizations will move back to sanity.

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        Soon, Purple Hat should be charging for systemd and hopefully other corpos and organizations will move back to sanity.

        From systemd licenses readme:

        Unless otherwise noted, the systemd project sources are licensed under the terms and conditions of LGPL-2.1-or-later (GNU Lesser General Public License v2.1 or later).

        New sources that cannot be distributed under LGPL-2.1-or-later will no longer be accepted for inclusion in the systemd project to maintain license uniformity.

        I can understand critism of systemd for its tools only working with itself and not with any other Unix tools. But it’s absolutely a conspiracy theory to think they’d want to charge for systemd. Though I do agree that if someone was charging for systemd (which they can’t because its open source), open source alternatives would pop up.