@asklemmy What do you think it would take for people to drop Twitter & Reddit and move to the Fediverse?
Everybody else doing it.
And how do we get everyone else to do it?
Be careful what you wish for. It’s very good for us that those people stay where they are… Otherwise this place would be Twitter.
A lot of those people would need to go to there own instances that we would be able to block due to policies on most mastodon instances aligning with Trans Rights as well as other LGBT+ people being safe.
Honestly, most people are followers. If you have a few high profile celebrities publicly announce they are switching over, I’m sure their fan base will do the same. Once the fans go over, then the friends of fans follow and so on.
They also have to abandon their presence on twitter as well.
Yeah, that’s probably the best way that people would move across. Knowing people are moving across to Threads, It could be a good way (once they join the Fediverse) for people to get involved with it and maybe move across to things like Mastodon and Lemmy.
More content. More diverse content. And more diverse users.
There really isn’t a lot of posts. A significant portion of posts are from bots. Similarly, there aren’t many comments.
It feels like most content is doomer news, politics, Linux, Star Trek, programming, or gaming related. And that’s my jam. But it gets old after a while.
And of course it would help to have more diverse users. I know we aren’t all the same, but Lemmy has a lot of software developers and left leaning folks with post secondary degrees.
Yeah, I get what you mean. It would be good to get more niche communities involved. It’s good to see like-minded people, but it’s always good for someone to have another opinion that can back up their views with facts.
I didn’t even know Lemmy existed until last week (when I specifically searched for a Reddit alternative) even though I heard about Mastodon.
And it might be confusing to decide where you need to register and what’s the difference without reading up how the Fediverse works. Most people don’t care about that.
Also if they are based on the same technology why I can’t use a Mastodon account to login/interact with Lemmy (conveniently)
I guess if we ever have Nomadic identities most of the above could be solved? Except that Lemmy is still almost completely unknown for most of the people.
A faux front end that makes the fediverse appear centralised.
So Threads? That’s getting progress on coming to the Fediverse. Guess we would have lots more people join through that.
I’m not sure what threads is really. I’m not on Instagram. Gotta make it as simple as possible.
Threads is instagrams version of mastodon / twitter. Even know you can login with instagram it does bring it mainstream
Oh ok. Thank-you. I’m too old for Instagram! Have you tried Nostr?
Have you seen Reddit and Twitter lately? You want those people here?
They won’t. There are people are still on facebook. Best we can do is have a healthy alternative that people want to come to.
not even “still on facebook”, since 2020, the surge of people moving TO facebook instead of away of facebook has increased tremendously.
the traditional second hand market sites are dying because facebook marketplace is taking over.
traditional websites and helpdesk/support channels are dying because companies are switching to facebook pages and messenger/whatsapp.
old school forums have more or less been entirely replaced by facebook groups.
alternative chat platforms have more or less died because of messenger.
branding is nearly gone everywhere and has been replaced by instagram.
the list goes on.
and imo the worst part is, facebooks policy and technical offering is inferior to the alternatives people are moving away from. and the only reason everyone is moving to facebook is because everyone is moving to facebook.
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the day Mastodon offers Groups, I will be advertising the move to Mastodon and shortly shut down the groups I run. Though, Groups was supposed to be out already last year and yet we’re in 2024 and nothing is happening. If they had managed to stick to schedule it would have been a golden opportunity because a lot of people were looking for alternatives (but found none), when facebook went ham on their policy. but as there was no alternatives, everyone’s back on facebook just circumventing the policies (for now).
Hopefully people will as I hate switching between different platforms and it’s one of the reasons I enjoy the fediverse
Same imo. There’s going to be a universal login feature coming down the pipe which should make mass adoption a lot smoother.
Yes, ActivityPub 2.0 is working on that from what I can see. It would be really cool to see how that turns out. Bluesky’s not using the same protocols though, so unsure how they are going to fix with all of that.
Eh, fuckem’ 😂
That might take a while with all 2 million of them lol
It is entirely up to you; every set of eyes that reads this.
Every post, every community you participate within, every upvote, every positive interaction is helping this place grow. All we need to do is make a place people want to visit; add value to their and our own lives.
Yesterday I started Word of the Day !wotd@lemmy.world
I moderate !3dprinting@lemmy.world and a couple of others that are not active. I’m at 179 posts and 1485+1 comments. I’m here a few times at least on most days.
I try and post in as many other communities as I can and be as positive an influence as I can manage.
The best thing you can do is upvote and participate in absolutely every little niche you can possibly participate in. I’m a jack of all trades master of none, but I’ll even go outside of my comfort zone to try and support everything I can. I don’t just take from this place, I want to build it, to grow with it, to be a part of it. I am the fediverse. You are the fediverse. It is what you make of it.
I posted this when there were less than 5k active users on Lemmy and .world was a couple of weeks old: https://lemmy.world/post/36032
That post is still just as true today.
Thank you
Yes I’ll stay active in as many places as I can on here especially when I know a topic. Even better now I’ve worked out a way to interact with people on Lemmy through Mastodon
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Yeah, they seem to be doing a good job and who knows if they join the Fediverse other sites might look at doing the same.
People who have been paying attention have already moved. Anyone who’s left will need a missile dropped directly on top of their head by Elon Musk or Steve Huffman personally. They will leave when the websites can no longer support themselves and shut down their servers, forcing the users out.
Yeah, tbh with all of what has happened on both of platforms, it’s sad to still see them alive.
Hopefully, people slowly start moving across or they’re some huge outage that happens in the future as it doesn’t seem like many more people are willing to move across (at least from my experience).
Who knows, Threads may help the future of the Fediverse with the amount of users that could see the possibility of it across Mastodon, Lemmy and many other instances.
More active niche communities and better search for old posts
I would love for more activity for niche communities
Someone should make a comprehensive, easy to follow guide to Lemmy with the latest info and apps, and share it to Reddit including their r/lemmy. Same with Mastodon.
I’ve sworn off of Reddit unfortunately so I’m not going to post, but maybe if I make something I can ask someone to share it there for me?
Having a guide to the Fediverse (at least Mastodon & Lemmy) could bring the people who are looking for alternatives to possibly see it and read about how you can easily join, which is a really good idea.
For me it was a combination of seeing that there was a lot of activity on the fediverse (no point joining a social media if there’s no people on it) and also feeling the need to actually frequently use social media again, because I hadn’t been using social media for a while outside of retweeting something once in a blue moon.
We’re social creatures, so I’m sure the more people move to Fediverse, well, the more people will follow.
Why would you want them to? Look up the “September that never ended” and what that effect does to communities.
I would like to see the Fediverse grow overtime, also we haven’t had to deal with a Decentralised network across the internet before, who knows what may happen.
we haven’t had to deal with a Decentralised network across the internet before
You say that while using the WWW, a decentralized network of Webservers and Webbrowsers all Access the world.
And you say that while using Domain names, which certainly don’t come from your /etc/Hosts but from a decentralized DNS Network of servers all around the world.
That’s different from a Protocol that anyone can use, boot up a server that has access to the whole Fediverse active posts & user base.
The Fediverse is making it so much easier for people to have users across their own social network platforms, bending the protocols to work with what vision they have, well still allowing others to access it.
There is a big difference between slow growth over time though (say a few percent of the existing user base every month) and a giant influx of new users (say 10 times the existing user base in a single month). The latter destroys everything the community was about since nobody knows the unwritten rules and new users copy bad behaviour from other new users.
Wouldn’t it help to make the rules written, then enforce them?
Twitter is a celebrities’ and public persons’ playground. As well as organisations. Anyone else is on there either to gain prominence or to follow the prominent accounts. Until there’s a suitable fediverse platform that appears as an advantage to those big names, nothing’s gonna change on that front. In spite of all the censorship and cancellations.
Would it be best for Bluesky to then take all the celebs & public figures and work out a bridge between protocols, making it hopefully possible to see their stuff on Mastodon and other places?
As users can then choose if they want to use Mastodon or another alternative like Bluesky.
I’m not familiar with Bluesky so I don’t know the answer to that. But I don’t think any entity can just ‘take all the celebs & public figures’. They are unlikely to move unless they think it’s an advantage to themselves or their organisation.
There’s plenty of Celebs & public figures using Bluesky, as that’s how they started growing their platform originally.
There’s also Threads that have more Celebs & public figures including Bill Gates. So I guess Threads might be the way they will publicly get in on the Fediverse. That’s when they actually fully flesh their ActivityPub stuff and publicly release it.
Ok. I’d be interested to know how Bluesky compares in size to Twitter.
As of last November 2 Million users. What compared to the rest of the Fediverse that’s very few.
https://mashable.com/article/bluesky-2-million-users-public-interface
I believe Twitter still has hundreds of millions monthly active users. That’s tough competition.
Yeah, well, at least it’s said to have that many active users but logging in once in a month to check 1 post. So less than 10 seconds on the website / app counts as active.
I’m sure it’s slightly inflated. Hopefully indie developers and other smaller public figures come across.
I don’t think it’s going to happen over any single event. I think Federated platforms will remain small scale but very active, and that’s all they have to do as mainstream social medias spring up, monetize, and collapse, over and over and over again.
Then one day in the future, the latest generation of cool kids will just realize that it’s way cooler to be on the Federated platforms than it is to be on the mainstream sites.
I wouldn’t say it would take more than 20 years. People are already annoyed with how much social media they have to move between, as well as the data collecting and adverts they get.
It’s that or if some of these bigger creators, stars or business’ move across to the Fediverse as their way of communication, then that would increase the user base.
