What is your personal preference based on experience? I Assume because Mac is Unix and Linux is Unix based, it would be more suited, but I have no personal experience with the layout. I am willing to try something new if i hear enough merits for it, and I also find the windows layout somewhat inadequate(The grass is greener on the other side /s)
I dailydrive Gnome, I am not a programmer, but i am a power user
(On a tangent: Why is gnome so restrictive, it feels like its missing a ton of UI features that are trivial without a boatload of 3rd party extensions that break every update; why doesn’t Win+Shift+number launch a new instance, every other DE does, why doesn’t it?; I don’t use KDE because I just don’t like it, I feel Gnome could be way more if it just natively integrated the extensions ).
aesthetically the windows key annoys me and i hate putting stickers on keyboards; I like how the mac layout looks(My very minimal experience with an in store mac-book has cautioned me away from the fisher-price OS so i don’t know if it is intuitive to use)
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What is a good price range to look into?
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Are they worth it(Last long)?
My previous mechanical keyboard lasted about a decade. Or it still works, but I bought a new one because the keycaps had worn so much.
Were the keycaps not replaceable? Or did they include hard to get sizes?
Replaceable sure, but probably not worth it. My new one is a bit nicer, so for that I might do it when the time comes. I still keep the old one around for random occasions I need a keyboard.
I have several perfectly working mechanical keyboards from the 80s, so I’d say, yeah they last long. That being said, I don’t necessarily think you’ll get decades from $40 mechanical keyboard like you can from an old school IBM, Alps, or Cherry MX keyboard. I mean, you may, but these keyboards were most than $40 back then and adjusted for inflation they’d not be cheap these days.
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If you’re close to a Microcenter, they should have a bunch of “sample” keyboards so you can find the switches you want. Nowadays, you can even build your own keyboard with swappable switches, so you can have different switches for your WASD keys, if you’re into that…
My recommendation? No. Don’t.
I’m an ex Windows user, current Linux and Mac user. Keyboard shortcuts on Linux are much closer to Windows conventions compared to macOS. I wouldn’t recommend using a Mac keyboard with Linux. I’d only recommend it if you want to use both Linux and macOS with the same keyboard (you will be happier in this case, because using macOS with a Windows keyboard sucks, vice versa).
If you don’t like the Windows key design, get a keyboard with a custom one.
I’ve dabbled with Linux on Mac hardware a couple of times and I’ve got to say that Linux DEs generally hew closer to Windows conventions than Mac ones and I found using the Mac keyboard with Linux to be a dreadful experience without the fact that the chiclet keyboards are the worst shit I’ve ever put my fingers on.
I very quickly snagged a standard mechanical qwerty 104 key with brown switches and cursed every moment that I had to use that abominable keyboard built into the stupid MacBook. Apple seems determined to do things different for the sake of different as much as they possibly can and trying to adapt all their nonsense to the Win/Lin way of doing things made my life worse in numerous ways (most DEs have great remapping for keys and such, but it gets messy fast if you’ve got apps from different paradigms.)
I’d very much recommend against going out of your way to get a Mac keyboard for using Linux unless you enjoy fighting against things. But hey, if that’s your kink, then a Mac keyboard with Linux would be my recommended way to go.
Hummm… personal preference, but when I SSH into a linux server with my Mac… I totally hate the keyboard shortcuts… They are driving me crazy.
Windows keyboard shortcuts, feel more “native” and easier to use.
Can’t explain it, but while I used both, I totally hate the mac keyboard shortcut keys.
Doing something like
CMD + Option + bspthat reflects toalt + bspon windows… :/Why would anyone do this to themselves. Even Mac people buy custom keyboards themselves for a reason!
That said, I use the Mac “cmd” symbol instead of the “Windows” symbol for my super key (a la Elementary) on my cheap but lovely Keychron K2 Pro. It just looks better 😁!
Only if you really really like the layout and are fine with rebinding a bunch of stuff that, like most software, expects a standard keyboard.
So what you are saying is most standard Linux software expect a windows layout? What about apps like Gimp, FireFox, and LibreOffice? and are there any outliers you know of?
I believe you are fixating on something that won’t have much impact regardless of what choice you make. I have been using “windows keyboards” on Linux for years with literally no problems (related to keyboards and Linux). I mostly game, browse the web and work as a software engineer.
Focus on what feels good physically/ergonomically for you and your workflow and you’ll be golden.
The only caveat I’d throw in there is if your keyboard of choice has some sort of RGB program for Windows or other custom software. It might not be as simple to control that functionality from Linux, but in many cases there are open source Linux alternatives for that software.
I ended up with a 103-key Unicomp New Model M (essentially the same layout as a 101-key, but with one Windows key and one context menu key stuffed into what would have been the small blank spaces in the bottom row between ctrl and alt—I really wanted a full-length spacebar). Linux is most often installed onto ex-Windows PCs, so it’s hardly surprising that it expects the Windows keyboard layout.
(I believe the current generation of Gnome devs is big on minimalism, AKA omitting or removing features. I can understand the appeal from a code maintenance point of view, but it’s never been a DE that I liked.)
You can buy keyboards with replaceable keycaps. You can also buy keycaps with Tux logos on them for at least some of those keyboards. You can decide for yourself whether your aesthetic dislike of the Windows logo is worth the rather higher price of such a keyboard.
No? Those keyboards aren’t even all that great. Why not just buy a mechanical one and call it a day?
Also, what’s wrong with the super key? Especially considering it’s also used in Linux
No need for an Apple keyboard unless you’re looking for extra function keys, a regular keyboard will work fine, and if’n for some reason you need the Mac layout, it’s available, I’ve always used the English (Macintosh) layout so I can get easy access to keys I like to use or sometimes need.
If you want to crazy with the keyboard, consider switching to Dvorak instead! It’s an investment of course, but you get used to it surprisingly quick and the typing experience is a lot better. As for the function button you can always just remap them to your preference, I don’t see the point in making a fuzz. Most distros are also made with a PC keyboard in mind, not that I know if that matters.
As for GNOME vs KDE, it’s up to personal preference. I enjoy my GNOME setup a lot, running just a couple extensions to get it just the way I like it. I enjoy that there are very few options and distractions around that I am not interested in. And I of course understand that other people prefer KDE. It’s great that there are two dominant DEs with such completely different design philosophies.
My very minimal experience with an in store mac-book has cautioned me away from the fisher-price OS
Saying it’s a Fisher-Price OS is like saying Linux is Fisher-Price because people have anime themes.
It’s Unix under the hood. It’s just as much a “real” operating system as any desktop Linux distro. It just looks nice.
Sorry if it offended you, to me it just felt locked down like iOS, only time I used MacOs when I spun up a virtual machine to try it out
No offense taken! There are a lot of justifiable reasons why people would avoid Apple products, I just don’t think the desktop OS is one of them.
@Semi-Hemi-Demigod @Artemis_Mystique I totally disagree, I have to troubleshoot software installations for students and help them repair broken devices and I spend most of my time fixing one or two issues for the biology or mathematics students having macs. (And when their computers are broken, well I advise them to buy a new one which they’ll be able to get repaired).
It’s just not meant for serious computer use, IMO. The only contexts it beats #Linux et rivals windows seems to be in creative settings.I’ve been seriously using a Mac for over 20 years in my career across the tech industry and I respectfully disagree.
@Semi-Hemi-Demigod @Artemis_Mystique Well, maybe the problems the students are facing are due to all of the software that the school uses being incompatible with apple. (Knowing how apple loves to be incompatible themselves, I guess that’s quite logical).
And I am sure an experienced user can find workarounds to get the computer to work properly. (#asahilinux being the first thing that comes to my mind, though I never tried #asahi personally because I don’t want to contribute to apple’s e-waste)
I would advise you not to judge a platform from what trouble inexperienced users get into with incompatible software.
No. I have used both with Linux but I prefer my Logitech keyboards to the Mac keyboard, better full travel mechanical switches, lighted keyboard, separate number and arrow pads, macro keys, all around hands down better than the Mac keyboard.
You can go full crazy like I did, use a Windows keyboard with macOS mappings.
I was used to mac when I switched to using Linux on my desktop, which has a Windows keyboard, for work. I didn’t want to re-learn my bindings. And I touch-type anyway, so the keycaps don’t confuse me. It mostly works great except for the # key, for that I have to press altgr+3
I’m typing on a mac keyboard on Debian. USB one with the numpad. It’s fantastic if you’re into that.
The last time I tried to pair the magic mouse 2 though, no joy. I’d be wary of the bluetooth keyboard.
The Mac keyboard layout was largely inherited from the Apple ][ and pre-OSX systems, which were non-Unix. The original Unix keyboard layout differs from both Mac and Windows layouts.
