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Exciting to see! Positively surprised Alpine is modular enough to make this feasible/maintainable.
Curious to see what the part about SystemD and musl at the end meant.Our current understanding having spoken to systemd developers is that we should be able to find a path that brings us much closer to upstream, if not entirely.
The only way the systemd developers will allow musl support upstream is if musl supports the glibc-isms that systemd uses.
They have been extremely clear that they will not carry patches for other libcs.
Makes sense
postmarketOS just gained my respect. To be fair there’s no point in running a Linux system without systemd as you’ll end up installing 32434 different RAM wasting services to handle things like cron, dns, ntp, mounts, sessions, log management etc.
Whether you like Systemd or not, let’s not spread disinformation.
All these things still exist with Systemd. They are just called Systemd dash something. Also, while Systemd is feature rich, it is pretty heavy relative to many alternatives.
Distros that avoid Systemd typically do so because they consider it bloated and possibly insecure.
If you are a fan of Systemd, it is probably because you like the standardization and the integration across previously disparate services. That makes sense. If you think it is making your system faster or lighter, you have not explored the alternatives. Obviously Systemd was a big leap forward in init. Other systems have appeared that also work really well but they are probably too late to matter mainstream. The “market” has spoken and Systemd is the winner.
I’ve yet to find a use-case for “making my system lighter” by exchanging a daemon that takes <0.1% of my total system memory for a bunch of poorly maintained bash scripts.
Next step is drivers that allow switching on/off components of the phone through systemd to save battery. Proper drivers are the only major missing piece for Linux phone OS right now.
When Linux phone comes with lasting battery and fast waydroid I’ll switch.
And firmware updates haha
What firmware do you mean?
The firmware of the device components, that needs to be signed by the manifacturer and often has critical bugs.
I see, but which components do you mean specifically?
Modem, wifi/bluetooth chip, many more possibly.
In case of the modem I know it doesn’t need to be signed. In fact, there exists an open source firmware for it.
Cool! Thanks for the info
This is bad news for those of us who were not only looking to give old mobile hardware a longer lifespan, but simultaneously obtain privacy and security while doing so.
The arguments provided in the blog post are rather faint and give a vibe of “holding on to last straws”, as other distributions and even BSD’s have managed to run both GNOME and KDE fine, even before pmOS.
For readers unfamiliar with systemd’s drawbacks, these resources can serve as good starting points:
without-systemd.org // nosystemd.org
Out of curiosity: Can you point to a log of the communication with the Alpine team?
So it will be only Systemd, no s6 or whatever without hacks and compatibility shims… sounds like bad news to me.
So it will be only Systemd
what? no. did you read the linked post? Some desktop environments will have more functionality and work better if you do use it, but (for now, at least) you can still run even GNOME under OpenRC if you want.
